OIdea:
 * there was a discussion on irc on possibly announcing a chaostreff in SF
 * bill pollock seems to want to run a hackerspace in his basement.
 * possibly combine those 2 things

status:
mc.fly talked to bill. Bill likes the idea a lot. 


why this pad?
 * store and coordinate ideas


ToDo:
 * #1 talk to bill - check. 
 * #2 meet with bill document the space


Howto Pad:
 * give yourself a name
 * add the name to the participants list (so if you change things people can determinate by the color who did it)

#1 talk to bill
talked to bill on the phone - Yay!
he is in germany and will be back in SF on tuesday. 
i talked to him for around 10min, we were both in a hurry
i till talk to him again today evening.

bill wants _no noisebridge_ but he would like a ccc alike thingie.
it has some restrictions but he likes the idea.
he wants a focus on what i think you call STEM - science, technology, engineering. math...
no occupy
there will only be a tea kitchen
you can meet at his old room so far.
"if nothing else it can be used as a starting space."
he likes the idea of a more inclusive space,  not open to everyone.
and he wants to be part of it
and yeah, no noisebridge, no drama.


Questions: 
 * What do we need to make a chaostreff happen, vs what we need to make a hackerspace work with bill? What are the dependencies of each?
   * chaostreff and bill's space are independent. it seems to be a good point to start as location.
   * bill likes the CCC and goes to Congress every year
   * 2 options exist: 
     * it could be a ccc meeting at the hackerspace or
     * it could be a ccc meeting running the whole hackerspace
   * it needed to be paid attention that a local group would not run into bill and bring tons of drama to bill (the attraktor situation)
     * Policies to address situations that lead to drama?
       * (I largely left Noisebridge because someone yelled at me to try to get me to lift a block I had regarding Mitch as ED - I wanted the next generation to have involvement while the previous generation was still active and interested, but the manner the discussion went down forestalled the entire discussion.)
       * Fauxminists, hippies and other attempts for a specific interest to exert arbitrary control over others

people writing in this pad / participating in the discussion:
 * mc.fly
 * steen
 * Christie
 * daravinne
 * $your name here