- hard to find reliable hoster in germany
- become AS
- moves problem to larger ISPs
- high pressure on ISPs. we do not understand this
- might be afraid to be reponsible
- whois of ip should return organization, abuse@ and not the ISP...
- if you have your own AS, you can get the ISP or hoster to delegate the whois/ripe records of your IPs to your AS, so you get all the automated abuse mails
- Emphasise that this will reduce abuse emails directed to them
- related: experience with certain providers etc
- it is not that bad to have a strong organization running relays
- there is always an organization (and the community) to help single relay operators in case of $fire
- T-Shirts